tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2433945320549143329.post5967082809203900079..comments2023-09-13T10:53:12.598-05:00Comments on Tullius est [et Tullius non est Cicero]: David is God: Follow-upAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15716893685688516529noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2433945320549143329.post-31542759136410105782014-09-25T22:50:24.234-05:002014-09-25T22:50:24.234-05:00Bedarz,
First, I've read everything by C.S. L...Bedarz,<br /><br />First, I've read everything by C.S. Lewis that can be purchased in a store; and I have the utmost respect for CSL. However, I haven't read the Problem of Pain in a while. In addition, that post was just focused on TGD.<br /><br />You say that CSL likens damned souls to machines and then ask if I equate animals to machines. (1) I don't know what it would mean to liken a soul to a machine. Souls have no mechanistic parts whereas machines do; souls are immaterial whereas machines are not. (2) Are animals machines? I don't think so. Animals are ensouled. They have feelings. The are conscious. <br /><br />Does it help if we think of souls like sins? I don't see how. A sin is a deformed action done by something that is or has a soul. The idea of a sin is parasitic on the idea of a soul (on a created living thing). We can think soul without thinking sin but I don't think we can think sin without thinking soul (or created being with life).<br /><br />"The key idea is that the existence a damned soul has is nothing like the life a blessed soul enjoys.<br />I should think this to be obvious and unobjectionable."<br /><br />I don't object to that. What you say seems consistent with the existence of a damned soul living a life (forever) which is "nothing" like the life of a blessed soul. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15716893685688516529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2433945320549143329.post-3682943095123448272014-09-25T22:24:26.098-05:002014-09-25T22:24:26.098-05:00Your interpretation of CS Lewis I find odd:
"...Your interpretation of CS Lewis I find odd:<br />" her animalistic impulse to grumble". <br />"1. Nancy ceases to be and all that remains is an animal not identical to Nancy or <br />2. Nancy (the once rational- animal) becomes a mere animal".<br /><br />To begin with, CSL explicitly likens the damned soul to machine. Do you equate animals to machines? And it the meaning of "animalistic impulse to grumble" is unclear. Certainly,CSL never meant that a rational soul that is damned is an animal soul now. <br /> There is a further discussion in The Great Divorce where the damned soul is likened to a collection of antagonistic sins. <br />The key idea is that the existence a damned soul has is nothing like the life a blessed soul enjoys.<br />I should think this to be obvious and unobjectionable. <br /><br />Have you read discussion of Hell in the Problem of Pain? Bedarz Iliacihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14885150501757797553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2433945320549143329.post-44185667331229461652014-09-25T11:26:46.010-05:002014-09-25T11:26:46.010-05:00Thanks for the comment, Bedarz. Yes, I'm awar...Thanks for the comment, Bedarz. Yes, I'm aware of the view. "Eternal Destruction" might mean destruction of the soul or complete destruction such that once destroyed one will be destroyed forever. I'm just not convinced that this interpretation is any better than everlasting punishment and thus tradition and philosophy tip the scales. I have several posts on annihilationism. Here is one on C.S. Lewis:<br />http://tullyborland.blogspot.com/2014/03/cs-lewiss-annihilationism.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15716893685688516529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2433945320549143329.post-66015068296505170922014-09-25T03:44:19.408-05:002014-09-25T03:44:19.408-05:00"forever" may not mean the same for the ..."forever" may not mean the same for the blessed souls and the damned souls. "hell is forever" may mean "hell is final". This is a view CS Lewis has defended, in the Problem of Pain, I think. Bedarz Iliacihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14885150501757797553noreply@blogger.com